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AVO's refuse to take into account the needs and wishes of children, the forgotten inocent bystanders. AVO's are enforcable immediately whilst contact orders take any where up to 12 months. AVO's are also issued on isolated incidents of disagreements and hear-say evidence leaving one party in disputes able to obtain court orders and criminal convictions on nothing more violent than verbal disagreement. This can and is constantly used in family law as subpena evidence of police records. The frustration of women denying children the rights to equal time with both perants for no more than financial gain increases their risk to violence and is an extremely violent act on both men and children. This is never considered by policy makers or courts. The bias of this topic is so evident in this google search I just did. This is the only site amonst hundreds i found that raises the issue of policy and police violence against men!

By the way, my wife did falsely accuse me of DV and that did go in the annual report.

Which raises the question - how many of those incidents are false allegations?

[quote]The NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research bulletin 'Trends and patterns in domestic violence assaults' from October 2005:[/quote]

This is the same arguement that the NSW AG office uses. What isn't included in this report is the UNREPORTED incidents.

Males are far more likely NOT to report DV incidents - I am one of them.

After all, who'd believe that your 5'2" wife was capable of DV on someone that man-handles 200kg drums all day?

I was brought up NOT to be violent nor hit females, etc. This makes me an easy target for female DV and laugh for the police if i'd even consider reporting.

The following is form Sydney Morning Herald ,14 th May 2006
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/call-for-action-as-domestic-killings-soar/2006/05/26/1148524888457.html

Call for action as domestic killings soar
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May 27, 2006

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AdvertisementNINE women have died since January in what experts are describing as an epidemic of domestic violence, fuelled by a lack of co-ordinated services and the continuing failure of the legal system to protect women.

The high rate of deaths in NSW - nine in five months compared with 11 for the whole of 2005 - has led to calls for a domestic violence homicide review body to investigate the murders.

The calls came as a 45-year-old man appeared in Penrith Local Court yesterday, charged with murdering his de facto, who died on May 15 after a violent attack two days before. Bail was refused and he was ordered to appear again on July 28. He has not entered a plea.

P.S

Domestic violence is a very real issue, do not confuse your priorities, innocent people lose their lives women are humans as well. If you went through domestic violence you would not be talking like this, you would really know what it is........

No violence is right...do not make it a political issue where you win votes, and power. That is abuse in itself. Please be true to your hearts who has more power in the world, physically as well as politically.

Being known as a victim of Domestic violence is shameful to a woman a wife. AVO process in court is a very stressful and shameful process for a wife to go through and specially when children are involved...the myth is that women take AVO's to win family law issues according to police reports since 1998 domestic violence has increased while AVO's have decreased. I work with victims day in day out. I would not wish that on anybody. WE ALL LOSE WHEN IN COMES TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SPECIALLY WHEN CHILDREN ARE VICTIMS don't think this is a feminist issue it is a human rights issue. KEEPING A FAMILY TOGETHER IS NOT THE ANSWER TO A HEALTHY SOCIETY. SAFETY OF INDIVIDUALS IN SOCIETY IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT. I see women with black eyes and broken noses, broken hearts and broken lives I see children being sexually assaulted, I see their fear, I see their shame, I feel their fear. Don't spread rumors YOU MAY UNWITTINGLY HURT SOMEONE THAT YOU REALLY LOVE IN THE PROCESS.

FYI :

The report released today, The Health Costs of Violence: Measuring the Burden of Disease Caused by Intimate Partner Violence, is the first of its kind in the world and shows nine per cent of all medical problems that beset women under 45 are caused by domestic violence.

After domestic violence, the top eight causes of disease and death in women between the age of 14 and 44 are: illicit drugs, alcohol, body weight, cholesterol, tobacco, blood pressure and physical inactivity.

Health consequences of domestic violence outlined in the report include physical injury, suicide attempts, chronic pain syndromes, depression, anxiety and phobias, gastrointestinal disorders, irritable bowel syndrome and reproductive complications.

Ms Pike said the report showed preventing domestic violence was not only important in terms of protecting victims but also saved the community tens of millions of dollars by reducing health costs down the track.

"The report estimates domestic violence costs Australian businesses half a billion dollars a year, including $30 million through sick leave and $6 million through staff turnover," Ms Pike said. (Alexander,B,2004,p.1)

The above is an excerpt from a : Domestic violence figures a call to action - 16.6.04
Created By: Bram Alexander on 16/06/2004
Category: Bronwyn Pike, Department, John Thwaites, Miscellaneous, Premier Bracks, Victorian Government

Domestic Violance Australia says NO but the courts say go for it we will do nothing to you.You can breach your AVO as many times as you like we will understand you have a problem and are doing nothing to fix it. The issue is not about who is being abused male or female it is about what is the courts responce to it. My ex- Brother inlaw has breached nine times and because he has an alcahol problem it took the ninth breach for him to be make seak treatment in a secure place odercy house.He is yet to be sentanced.

Myself and my children were vitums of Domestic Violance for 11 years and also witnest my mother being abuse by her boyfriends most of my live so I know firsthand the damage domestic violance and family brakedown has on it's victums, but to surgest that only woman are victums is rediculous.For instance my abuser of eleven years was also a victum as a child but not a victum of his father but his mother.Mothers have a profound affect on there sons and in this case it was a violant.Also on the issue of men suiside I grow up with my father and to watch him after his defacto left him for another man was heart breaking. He tried to kill himself a number of times. Woman are natural communicaters so we can talk our way through it man suffer in silance and it can destroy them.At least my father still had his kids witch is more then most men.As for the Family court I think the first thing they should do is take lawyers aut of the system.Let the perant state there own cases. No child should lose a perant because the perant couldn't affort to pay a lawyer to fight for the child.

Quote: Anne at August 1, 2006 05:30 PM
Oh come on, you can't blame mens suicide on marital breakups!!



Quote: Chris at July 13, 2006
So I don't think you can lay male suicides at the door of the Family Court. At the moment things like the drought would be having more of an impact, I think.



http://www.mcsp.org.au/suicide/deaths.lasso



The most frequently recorded precipitating stresses for males was a relationship breakdown with spouse or partner (56.0%)...


For females the most commonly reported stresses were psychiatric illness (51.9%), relationship breakdown with a spouse or partner (27.0%)....




Quote: Anne at August 1, 2006 05:30 PM
Why does a man shoot his ex-partner, then his own flesh and blood, before turning the gun on himself.



Why does a mother suffocate or drown her children?
Why does a wife shoot or stab her husband?
And before you IMMEDIATELY say domestic violence - think again.




Quote: kate lamb at July 13, 2006
What does it take to get these people to put things in perspective - fathers access to kids is simply not an issue of that order. The scale and persistency of mens violence against women makes it a global human rights issue.



OMG!!! How ignorant of the facts you are!
What if the case was reversed? Would you STILL be saying that it is not an issue? Have you ever considered that it may be part of the issue? Part of the reason for the DV?


But you are right in it being a human rights issue, considering that 127 independant surveys have pointed out that DV is mostly gender neutral. Some of these surveys point to either the male or the female being the more violent, with some pointing to gender neutrality.



Violence should NOT be tolerated in any form by any gender.

ZERO tolerance - Mandatory jail terms

you are an idiot for writing this!!!!!

your info is very false and especially the bit about five males committing suicide a day. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!

There was a good article on this (fake DV stats etc) last year on On-line Opinion. The link is:

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=3538

The latest ABS People's Safety Survey (PSS) is also illuminating.

Malcom Guinane

I have done a lot of research and published writing on the issue of domestic violence and there has been a great deal of misinformation and straight lies put out by Government (ie taxpayer) funded bodies such as OSW. One of the most blatant has been with us since 1986 whe OSW put out a publicity campaign saying one in three women had been the victims of domestic violence. This was put out over a poster of a woman with a black eye. The source for this statement turned out to be a US study by Straus Gelles and (Gloria) Steinmetz which showed that one in three households would experience at least one incident of violence but in the majority of cases it would be the woman who was the perpetrator. Read my article published in the Independant and availble on the MRA Website.

There is plenty of information out there that shows that police statistics on domestic violence do not represent the true situation - bias police policies, men don't report, some women use false accusations during legal battles etc. etc.. Try reading some of the research literature about male victimes of domestic violence - try talking to some abused men and children who are shaften by police policy.

Comments that male suicide cannot be blamed (at least partly) on family seperation (Family Court, CSA, etc) fly in the face of expert Australian research and opinion, ie Prof Baume (former director of the Instutute of Suicide Research and Provention, Mt Gravatt Uni, Brisbane), Prof John McDonald (UWS Prof of Primary Health Care.

Oh come on, you can't blame mens suicide on marial breakups!! Perhaps you should blame mens inability to communicate, to express their feelings, and to show and tell how they really feel, with the ones who (once) love(d) them.

Then, perhaps you might not get so many marriage breakups!

Why does a man shoot his ex-partner, then his own flesh and blood, before turning the gun on himself.

This is hot topic, but where to begin.

Hi Chris,

The point of posting Paul's article was to explore the possibility of doing some surveying of marital relations. Given that yelling at someone can be defined as domestic violence, it could be interesting to survey our audience to see how many of them yell at their spouses and what other forms they use for expressing displeasure. How common are struggles for control? What do people normally do when they disagree with their partner? Are there distinctle male and female ways of reacting, and if so, what are they? And so on.

This got me thinking, so I went looking for info.

The NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research bulletin 'Trends and patterns in domestic violence assaults' from October 2005:

"As can be seen from Figure 8, the majority of victims of domestic assault were female (71.1%) and the majority of offenders were male (80.4%). ... It is noteworthy, nonetheless, that 28.9 per cent of victims of domestic assault recorded by police are male."

Yes, women are capable of (and do carry out) violent acts, but the majority of assaults in this country are still by men.

And the ABS (in their Australian Social Trends 2000 series):
"Since 1921 the male suicide rate has been consistently higher and more volatile than the female rate".

and

"Although the male rates of suicide for the years 1995 to 1997 were about four times as high as female rates, the relationship between marital status and standardised death rates from suicide was similar for men and women."

So I don't think you can lay male suicides at the door of the Family Court. At the moment things like the drought would be having more of an impact, I think.

There are plenty of other forums set up around this topic. I'm not sure Paul's approach fits with WTPW.

I say to Paul & his fellow travellers - lets get this business into a proper framework. One of human rights. The right to live free of fear of violence. Its olny recently that ths issue has been brought out into the "public arena" in some western countries. And there are still people who resist this "intrusion"
What does it take to get these people to put things in perspective - fathers access to kids is simply not an issue of that order. The scale and persistency of mens violence against women makes it a global human rights issue
And again this morning....what shocked Paul this morning when he got out of bed?

July 13, 2006 - 7:59AM

53-year-old Sydney man died of a heart attack after allegedly protecting his neighbour from her machete-wielding husband.

Police said the 38-year-old husband was subject to an apprehended violence order regarding his wife.

But he allegedly chased her to a neighbour's house in Bow Bowing, in Sydney's south-west, after a domestic dispute yesterday at about 9pm (AEST).

The woman's husband followed her inside the house before being asked to leave by the older man.

The husband left the house only to return a short time later armed with a machete, police said.

The older man and his son then forced the husband to leave the area.

But the older man collapsed and died from a suspected heart attack shortly after returning home.

Police arrested the husband and later charged him with two counts of assault occasioning actual bodily harm and one of breaching an apprehended violence order.

He will appear in Campbelltown Local Court later today.

His wife was treated by ambulance officers at the scene for lacerations and bruising.

Police will prepare a report for the Coroner about the man's death.